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realmayo –
haha. Yep Roddy: the "proper" explanation for that radical is not memorable. So we have to invent
our own. This system makes that easier (after half a day’s work setting it up)!
But listen: I really do find the legitimate background and histories to the characters interesting
and wherever that is memorable I incorporate it (eg the water radical will of course be
associated, in my system, with water).
But loads of characters don’t give much help on their own, I think.
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imron –
Well, everyone has different ways of learning, so good luck with this system.
dsrguru –
This sounds like a variation of the ancient mnemonic technique called the Method of Loci. It can
be used to memorize almost anything, not just 漢字. Good luck with it.
atitarev –
My question was ignored but I found the answer:
Here’s the Syllable Statistics:
(30328 syllables in the text with 837 unique syllables.)
http://uk.geocities.com/dylanwhs/sci…atistics01.htm
Also:
Statistics of Initials, Medials, Rimes, Tones, and Medial+Rime:
http://uk.geocities.com/dylanwhs/sci…atistics02.htm
roddy –
Must have missed your question in all the excitement
There’s a 普通话音节声韵调配合总表 in the back of BLCU Press’s 汉语语音教程
(which is very good and has been recommended on here previously). However it spreads over four
pages and you’ll forgive me for not counting.
imron –
Well, I saw the question, but didn’t know the answer.
It’s interesting that there are over 400 combinations of initials and finals, but only 837
syllables. This means that significantly less than half of the sounds use all four tones.
Unfortunately it also means that realmayo now needs to find 83-84 movies with 10 memorable
characters.
gougou –
Quote:
So: a version of my "story" for 爱 would take place at my desk in my old room in China. Branson
is there, looking in love, holding up a cooked chicken foot (which I’m associating with the
radical at the top of 爱) while the "person" I’m associating with 友 is cowering embarassed
under a bit hat (which I’m associating with the middle part of the 爱 character).
If you want to use mnemonics, wouldn’t it be easier to just remember the story for the character?
It seems to me your building this mental house just to associate the story to ai. This seems like
a waste of time to me – while I have forgotten how to write characters plenty of times, I don’t
think I ever forgot their pinyin.
Also, why do you use places AND actors? If you have 400 places, wouldn’t that be enough?
xiaocai –
Quote:
大约有 410 个不分声调的音节，大约 1200 个声调有别的音节。
There are about 410 syllables excluding the tones and roughly 1200 syllables if you include the
tones.
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atitarev –
Imron/Roddy,
I didn’t mean to criticise, just a statement
Curious that the total of only 837 distinct syllables used in standard Mandarin (let’s assume, the
figure is close enough) is far less from expected "number of toneless syllables" times 5 (or even
4) tones.
I saved the data in Excel, here’s 30 most common toned syllables (figure on the left is the number
of occurrences in a 30,328 syllables/characters text:
1292 de5
782 shi4
484 ren2
436 guo2
431 yi1
408 zhong1
407 zai4
334 zhi4
328 gong1
318 you3
296 shi2
284 ta1
273 han4
266 bu2
265 zhi1
255 le5
252 ji1
222 zheng4
219 dao4
214 li4
209 yi4
208 min2
196 wei2
189 quan2
184 zhe4
180 nian2
Different methods were used but you can relate this to most common characters too:
1 的 [de] (grammatical particle) [dì] 目的 mùdì goal [dí] 的确 díquè certainly; surely
[dī] cab [di]
2 一 [yī] one; 一定 yīdìng certain; 一样 yīyàng same; 一些 yīxiē some [yí] [yì]
3 是 [shì] to be
4 不 [bù] not [bú]
5 了 [le] (particle) [liǎo] 了解 liǎojiě comprehend [liào] (=瞭) [liāo] [liáo]
6 人 [rén] person; 人类 rénlèi humankind; 有人吗 yǒurén ma? anybody here?
7 在 [zài] at; 现在 xiànzài now; 存在 cúnzài exist
8 我 [wǒ] I, me; 我们 wǒmen we
9 有 [yǒu] have; there is; 没有 méiyǒu haven’t; 有的 yǒude some [yòu] (=又)
10 中 [zhōng] middle; in; 中国 Zhōngguó China [zhòng] hit (a target)
11 这(F這) [zhè] [zhèi] this
12 大 [dà] big; 大家 dàjiā everybody [dài] 大夫 dàifu doctor
13 国(F國) [guó] (国家 guójiā) country; 中国 Zhōngguó China; 美国 Měiguó USA
14 上 [shàng] over; top; (go) up; last, previous [shǎng] 上声 shǎngshēng [shang]
15 个(F個) [gè] [ge] (measure word); 个人 gèrén personal [gě] 自个 zìgě
16 来(F來) [lái] come; 起来 qǐlai get up; 原来 yuánlái it turns out [lai]
17 他 [tā] he, him; she, her; it; (其他 qítā) other
18 为(F為) [wèi] for, on account of [wéi] be, become
19 到 [dào] to, towards, until
20 地 [dì] earth [de] -ly (adverbial particle)
21 和 [hé] and; with; harmony [huo] 暖和 nuǎnhuo (nice and) warm [hè] [huó] [huò] [hàn]
[hú] [hē] [huō]
22 时(F時) [shí] (时间 shíjiān, 时候 shíhou) time; 小时 xiǎoshí hour
23 们(F們) [men] (pluralizing suffix 我们 wǒmen we; 人们 rénmen people
24 年 [nián] year; 今(明,去)年 jīn (míng, qù) nián this (next, last) year
25 生 [shēng] give birth; life
26 会(F會) [huì] meet; can, able [kuài] 会计 kuàijì accounting [huǐ] 会儿 huǐr moment
27 出 [chū] go out, emit; 出现 chūxiàn appear, emerge
28 就 [jiù] just, simply, right away
29 子 [zǐ] child [zi] (noun suffix 桌子 zhuōzi table
30 要 [yào] want; will [yāo] 要求 yāoqiú demand
realmayo –
Imron:
"Unfortunately it also means that realmayo now needs to find 83-84 movies with 10 memorable
characters."
- nope. Just four more people. One for each tone.
Imron + dsrguru:
"good luck "
Thank you very much!
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